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A site for those who want to check more detailed stats.

Oh and the best part, this poster is actually out of date. Government murders is up to 262 million I'm told.

Case closed statists, you had your chance and failed in every possibly way.
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kyrtuck Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And yet 60% of the world's weapons are owned by private citizen and just 37% by official military.


huh. :wow:
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014
And they say WE'RE the dangerous ones who need to be restrained.

It's just too logical for words isn't it?
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Communism and Nazism killed most of the people
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014
Even so, "less murderous than those guys" is still murderous.
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SCARFACE424242 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
The mafia needs to get their ass in gear if they want to do better then the government.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
You'd love this woman.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IErlI3…
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SCARFACE424242 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
Just a little question. Why are you an anarchist? 
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
Why don't I believe in the legitimacy of government power?

For the same reason I don't believe in gods: There's no evidence.
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SCARFACE424242 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
I can believe that. Religion & Government the greatest scams ever created. And just for Irony... Amen to that brother.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Does this count both right wing and left wing governments? 

Also I'd like to point out that a standard feature of the state is its overwhelming ability to marshal force compared to other types of organizations. It's been that way since the treaty of westphalia 
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013
"Does this count both right wing and left wing governments?"

If you think there's a difference, you REALLY have not been paying attention for the last century.


"Also I'd like to point out that a standard feature of the state is its overwhelming ability to marshal force compared to other types of organizations. It's been that way since the treaty of westphalia"

Vague flowery speech that means nothing.
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KodyBoy555 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Is this related to the civil unrest in Syria?
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013
This is governments in general. Across the board they steal, enslave and murder more than the criminals they claim to protect us from.
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KodyBoy555 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Student Digital Artist
What fictional small Arab country would you name?
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flybyknight Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013
The one thing government does better than private enterprise!
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nanashi89 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Democide, death by government the biggest leading cause of unnatural death

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Demand a REAL plan.
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lawsonenterprises Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2012
Very nice and really hits facts home, we need smaller government before this gets out of control. Hopefully Romney can undone Obamas mess through I'd have prefared Rick Santorum over Romney but meh.

Don't forget the number of deaths caused by atheist regimes as well such as Stalin and other scum.
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TimeLord21000 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
Both are idiots in their own right, but Obama won, life goes on, we could protest for full democracy but the people in power will say no, and humans, being the sheep they are, will go along with it, don't try to push your own political agenda on a public forum, many of us will not stand for it.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2012
I'd hardly call Stalin's regime atheist. He didn't oppose religion because he believed in free thinking, he opposed it because he wanted people to worship the state as their god.

Romney will do no such thing. He's just as big government as Obama. For one thing, Obamacare was actually copied off him.
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NOTTODAYBRO Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
At least romney didn't get us into 16 trillion of debt... Which wouldn't be there if he and the rest of the democrats didn't put a bunch of job regulations up, forcing people out of jobs and making less money, which means less money from taxes. He won't cut spending either, and it's funny, because I seem to notice a lot of our money going to the middle east to buy oil, you know, where all the terrorists are? We wouldn't have to buy oil from the middle east if he would let us drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, but no, that hurts the environment and all that. Pretty sure 16 trillion dollars of debt and terrorists are bigger issues. By the way, if obamacare was romney's idea, why did he campaign against it? HERPDERP. Obamacare is a terrible idea anyway, obama said it himself, its easy for someone to get into obamacare, so an average person could go out and use the money, given to them by the government by way of taxes, and gave it to them just because they signed up. How would you feel if some crackhead got money you paid for in taxes to use on more crack because he happened to sign up for obamacare? When you get right down to it, it's basically socialism.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
He left his own state in the hole. No reason to think he wouldn't do the exact same thing if elected president.

"By the way, if obamacare was romney's idea, why did he campaign against it?"
Because it was the other team supporting it. You're expected consistency from politicians? You silly little infant.
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NOTTODAYBRO Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
I'd rather have him then that stupid liar obama. Obamacare, by the way, used romneycare as a template, but changed up things that far increased government interference that romney diagreed with. And romney wouldn't have been nominated president if the citizens of his state thought he was doing a poor job. Romney wasn't the best choice, but at least he wasn't a liar and a socialist.

"You silly little infant?" Insulting the opposing side in the middle of a discussion? Who do you think you are, Joe Biden?
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grimdrifter Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
My own calculations show that just under 7,000 people were killed by global terrorism from 1995 through 2004. I got the figures from a wikipedia summary of a "patterns of Global Terrorism" report. Unfortunately the report itself no longer appears to be available, and likely because its data was highly criticized. Giving Uncle Sam the benefit of the doubt hardly changes the figure enough to alter its significance. Even if those casualties amounted to 8,000 or 9,000 people, global deaths directly caused by acts of terrorism is incredibly low in comparison to the figures you linked to.
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KidSapiens Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2012
Well, this is a pretty divisive topic.

Everyone knows that death is the leading cause of death!
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012
Well well well! =dmgirl3000 decided to block me from replying to his little temper tantrum. Well, here was my reply. If anyone reading this could send it to him with my regards, I'd appreciate that.

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"Yes, but his platform had nothing to do with killing the jews, that came after Germany moved from democracy to fascism, you dipshit."

Actually Hitler had a 90% approval rating during his reign. As I said before, he didn't single handedly commit all those murders. The German people went along with it. So whatever point you were trying to make here, I'm afraid it's not working. Might want to clarify.


"No, that would be the quran, you dipshit. Unless you can find a line somewhere that says kill the nonbeliever."

Yawn...

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

To name but a few.

And just in case you were thinking of whipping out the old "Old Testament doesn't count!" excuse...
A: It doesn't work because a perfect deity cannot change his mind
B: I'm afraid your old friend Jesus begs to differ on that

"Do not think I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen I say unto you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part of the smallest letter will pass from the law until all things have taken place" Mathew, 5:17

And of course let's not forget that Jesus himself was big on the whole killing unbelievers things...
"But to those mine enemies that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and SLAY THEM BEFORE ME." Luke 19:27

Now, if you take this moment to apologize for shooting your mouth off, I promise I will not think less of you for it. Quite the contrary in fact.


"Your entire argument is that the organization is the main source of these deaths, which diminishes the blame that more aptly belongs to the leader of said organization."
Because it is. The leaders themselves don't commit these murders, the people who blindly follow them did. I'm sorry if my choice of adjectives is really that confusing to you.


"Nah, I want to try again and this time have you stop selectively ignoring information"
What did I ignore? say it right here, right now, no dodging. I dare you.
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Travis-Retriever Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013
So I sent this to her, and after watching me (dafuq?) and belitting my tastes and that I'm a furry, she responds with the following screed:

I blocked him because he's been nothing but a jerk, has insulted me in every post he's made, has an extremely condescending attitude, and has just been an all around jackass.

If he wants to jerk off, he can jerk off with you.

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Actually Hitler had a 90% approval rating during his reign. As I said before, he didn't single handedly commit all those murders. The German people went along with it. So whatever point you were trying to make here, I'm afraid it's not working. Might want to clarify.
His platform had a 90% OFFICIAL approval rating. Just like any other fascist government, the use of services like the SS are used to stifle dissent from the public. Of course, you'd bring this up if I had said that the populous was HAPPY with what he was doing because of approval ratings, but that's just because you'd rather defend your point then tell the truth, like you'd love to claim you do.

Now, if you take this moment to apologize for shooting your mouth off, I promise I will not think less of you for it. Quite the contrary in fact.
I will apologize for the misquote on the bible, it's been a while since I've read the entirety of the scripture. However, I feel that the majority of Jesus' quotes to the contrary diminish the value of this statement.

Because it is. The leaders themselves don't commit these murders, the people who blindly follow them did. I'm sorry if my choice of adjectives is really that confusing to you.
The only issue with this is that you're blaming the gun, not the gunner. For many of the regimes you're talking about, you'd need a mass rebellion if you wanted to disobey orders while not putting yourself at high risk of death. Complacency due to intimidation is more than a proper justification for doing such acts, especially if doing otherwise would mean the death of your loved ones. You can't honestly sit here and call random soldiers to blame on the same degree someone like Himmel and other high ranking nazi scientists are. Of course that isn't to say that there aren't soldiers who did this willingly, but you can't lump every follower of a fascist nation as someone who supports said nation.

Saying that the soldiers are just as much to blame is the EXACT REASON Hitler got into power leading up to WW2. Many nations felt that the entirety of germany was to blame for the bloodshed and damage in their countries and demanded that they be compensated by Germany itself. This is what causes the massive devaluation of the Marc in germany, pushed them into economic turmoil and gave hitler the perfect stance to gain control of the nation. It's easy to present yourself as someone who follows the will of the people, then when you're in a position of power, work to enforce it. This is exactly how the communist nations you hate so much work. One person worked hard to get to the top, and when he got there, he turned around and stabbed the populous in the back.


What did I ignore? say it right here, right now, no dodging. I dare you.
The fact that it costs money to travel any significant amount of distance to find a new job. Cheapest would be a ticket on a charter bus if you're alone, cost of gas+license+vehicle if you're using a car, or cost of food and sheltering if you're going to hitchhike. You then need to cover permanent residence in your new place of living if you intend to get a job there, as the market is frankly quite hostile towards transient living. You can't just 'pick up and go', this has never been the case, even back in the 'good old days'.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
But but the government does so many good things for us like provide roads and dams and bridges and schools and perpetual war and drug raids and warrantless wiretaps and bank bailouts and torture practices and…um, what was my point again?
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Travis-Retriever Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2015
3 years later and I still laugh with you on this.  Well said, bro!
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012
The funny thing is, even if I accepted that oh so common argument, it's still saying "sure we kill a whole bunch of people but it's all so we have roads" which just sounds downright psychotic.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed. It’s like a battered wife trying to justify her abusive husband to the police, which is what I always imagine when I come across these government/tax apologists: “I know he nearly beat me half to death, but he’s really a good man. Honest. He works his job and pays the bills and takes care of the house…”
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012
Don't know if you saw it but check out my exchange with =dmgirl3000 in this very thread. What does it say about someone who accuses me of ignoring their point when they then proceed to block me from replying to them? I had to put my response in a post at the bottom just for the record.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Funny how folks like her, Stalin-Fan, and marsbar are the ones who abuse the block feature the most.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012
You know what would make me respect people like Stalin-fan a lot more? If they said something like "okay, I know Stalin's policies caused mass starvation and other terrible things and I can completely understand why you'd be doubtful of it but I've looked things over. Here's what went wrong before, here's why it will work this time and here's what we're going to do to make sure those bad things don't happen again in the future."

You don't have to agree with me, just show you're at least attempting to be emperical. But no, their dogma is just the automatic response with utterly nothing backing it up despite the fact that insanity is defined as repeating the same action and expecting different results.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed. He claims that there hasn’t been any Communist countries, and that any that did exist or do exist weren’t really Communist. In other words, there is no evidence that Communism works, and any place that has tried it has always ended up with the opposite of it. Oh yeah. That makes me feel so confident of trying it over here. What could possibly go wrong?!
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Nerudan18 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Really speaks for itself, doesn't it?
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yep, it's good to know that you can count the holocaust as Democide, and not simply the fault of hitler.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012
Hitler single handedly went out and killed 20 million people on his own?

Didn't think so. Think before you speak next time.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, because government is the one who called for the rounding up of the jews and their subsequent murders, just like the christian doctrine called for the extermination of the muslims, and it totally wasn't due to a Person in a seat of power abusing their authority! Totally not! The pope and Hitler were completely devoid of any blame!

But of course, you probably believe this is the case. I would turn around and tell you to think before you speak as well, but Thinking is clearly something far beyond your mental ability.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012
You ARE aware that Hitler was democratically elected are you not?

And you ARE aware that the bible VERY clearly states that non believers and people of other religions must be killed are you not?

And you are aware that I at no point have ever said anything even resembling "The pope and Hitler were completely devoid of any blame!" are you not?


Now, wanna try that again and this time stick with the facts? That would be very much appreciated.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
>You ARE aware that Hitler was democratically elected are you not?
Yes, but his platform had nothing to do with killing the jews, that came after Germany moved from democracy to fascism, you dipshit.


And you ARE aware that the bible VERY clearly states that non believers and people of other religions must be killed are you not?

No, that would be the quran, you dipshit. Unless you can find a line somewhere that says kill the nonbeliever.


>And you are aware that I at no point have ever said anything even resembling "The pope and Hitler were completely devoid of any blame!" are you not?

Your entire argument is that the organization is the main source of these deaths, which diminishes the blame that more aptly belongs to the leader of said organization.

>Now, wanna try that again and this time stick with the facts? That would be very much appreciated.

Nah, I want to try again and this time have you stop selectively ignoring information in an attempt to justify your political philosophy. Honestly it's especially apparent with this, as it doesn't even bother to distinguish between types of government.
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Travis-Retriever Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013
Well, since you blocked Hawkeye before he could respond, I suppose I'll deliver this from him to you:

Well well well! =dmgirl3000 decided to block me from replying to his little temper tantrum. Well, here was my reply. If anyone reading this could send it to him with my regards, I'd appreciate that.

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"Yes, but his platform had nothing to do with killing the jews, that came after Germany moved from democracy to fascism, you dipshit."

Actually Hitler had a 90% approval rating during his reign. As I said before, he didn't single handedly commit all those murders. The German people went along with it. So whatever point you were trying to make here, I'm afraid it's not working. Might want to clarify.


"No, that would be the quran, you dipshit. Unless you can find a line somewhere that says kill the nonbeliever."

Yawn...

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

To name but a few.

And just in case you were thinking of whipping out the old "Old Testament doesn't count!" excuse...
A: It doesn't work because a perfect deity cannot change his mind
B: I'm afraid your old friend Jesus begs to differ on that

"Do not think I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen I say unto you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part of the smallest letter will pass from the law until all things have taken place" Mathew, 5:17

And of course let's not forget that Jesus himself was big on the whole killing unbelievers things...
"But to those mine enemies that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and SLAY THEM BEFORE ME." Luke 19:27

Now, if you take this moment to apologize for shooting your mouth off, I promise I will not think less of you for it. Quite the contrary in fact.


"Your entire argument is that the organization is the main source of these deaths, which diminishes the blame that more aptly belongs to the leader of said organization."
Because it is. The leaders themselves don't commit these murders, the people who blindly follow them did. I'm sorry if my choice of adjectives is really that confusing to you.


"Nah, I want to try again and this time have you stop selectively ignoring information"
What did I ignore? say it right here, right now, no dodging. I dare you.
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ONLYoneCANNOLI Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Your entire argument is that the organization is the main source of these deaths, which diminishes the blame that more aptly belongs to the leader of said organization."

in the post WWII trials, "I was just following orders," was struck down as a legitimate defense. So, both the leader and the follower are equally responsible for tyranny and the original message of this dev is valid.
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LordTHawkeye Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012
Much like gods, if their job is to promote moral behavior, they set a pretty poor example I must say.
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